Mrs. Irene Mathyssen (London—Fanshawe, NDP): Thank you, Madam Chair.
Minister, you’re on record as stating that you believe women in Canada have achieved equality rights.
The groups that have come to this committee, deputations have indicated that we have senior women who still live in poverty. One in five Canadian women live in poverty. Women who seek shelters are turned away due to lack of space. In Ontario, already this year, 12 women have died at the hands of a spouse. Four women in my community have died in the last two years.
Are you telling this committee, and Canadian women, that there is gender equality?
Hon. Bev Oda: What I am saying is that women in Canada…if we don’t believe that women in Canada have equal rights, we have equal rights. What we don’t have is equal opportunity and equal chance. What we don’t have is an equal–I guess, well, I still have to go back to it–opportunity to fully participate.
What we’re saying and we totally agree with you, there is poverty. There’s a disproportionate amount of poverty when you look at the statistics for senior women. But that’s what we want to address is more than just identifying the program.
I hope that some of my colleague sitting around this table who have been leaders in their own professions, in their own lives, will come to that table and bring real solutions, bring real initiatives as to how to we can change whatever program the government has on equal rights.
Violence, we are going to do something about violence–
Mrs. Irene Mathyssen: I’m glad that you are, Madam Minister and I do have other questions.
I’d like to ask you, for example, have you read reports like the UN report of the Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women, January 2003, the UN Economic and Social Council report from May 2006, the Expert Panel on Accountability Mechanisms for Gender Equality, 2005? How about the Pay Equity Task Force final report 2004, Stats Canada, Women in Canada, 2005, and finally, minister, your briefing book. Have you read these documents, minister?
Hon. Bev Oda: Yes, I have.
Mrs. Irene Mathyssen: Well, thank you. If you’ve read these documents, I’d like to know how you can cut funding and change the funding mandate for Status of Women Canada? Because these reports clearly state, they outline that more funding is needed, more programming is needed to promote women’s rights and the funding for advocacy.
Your new funding mandate clearly does not reflect the important role that women’s groups play in Canadian democracy. These changes that you’ve made will make it impossible to sustain the women’s movement in Canada. Your government is not listening to women’s groups. It is not living up to Canada’s international obligations and women across this country agree.
How can your government justify the restrictive funding mandate for women’s programs and the funding cuts to Status of Women Canada and other important equality initiatives like the Court Challenges?
Your mandate as Minister for the Status of Women Canada is to promote women’s equality. That role is clearly being ignored. Equality is not being promoted here and you are letting down Canadian women.
You’re not fulfilling your mandate and, minister, I have to say that I think it’s important that I demand your resignation from the Status of Women portfolio until, and unless, you’re prepared to do your job. We need someone else in that role.
The Chair: Minister Oda.
Hon. Bev Oda: Well, let me just respond very quickly. I have read the reports and in fact that is why I’ve made the decisions and the government agrees with the decisions that we’ve made.
We have those reports and I’ve actually taken the report and all the reports that reference aboriginal women and that’s why I’ve been able to sit down with the minister responsible for aboriginal affairs and get him to move in concert with all of my colleagues on increased funding for aboriginal housing, for a better plan for the education of aboriginal children and youth, on establishing a process to address the matrimonial property rights.
That is why this government is moving ahead, because we know that by not recognizing foreign credentials, women are equally as affected by not recognizing their credentials. The number of qualified, experienced, educated women who come to this country–there was a page last year I met and her mother has two master’s degrees from a foreign university and now she’s cleaning office buildings–that is why we’re acting.
We’ve read those reports and that’s why it’s so important now, after all of those reports, after millions of dollars, we’re saying use those dollars now to effect real change and make a real difference.
Mrs. Irene Mathyssen: Minister, if you’ve read the reports, I assume that you’ve read this report and it says very clearly that women earn 71¢ for every dollar earned by a man. Why aren’t you prepared to accept the findings here? Why haven’t you come forward with new pay equity legislation? You say we have this legislation, the status quo, that is acceptable. Well, it is not acceptable.
It’s your job to advocate for women. If you’re not prepared to do that, then would you step aside for someone who will?
Hon. Bev Oda: I will not step aside because I believe that I have been effective. In eight short months, this government, together as a government, has done more in real actions to help women in Canada than the previous government. I will suggest to you–
Mrs. Irene Mathyssen: Minister, you say that, but where are the results? Where is the pay equity legislation?
Hon. Bev Oda: I will suggest to you, if you will allow me to answer, please.
The Chair: Order, please.
Hon. Bev Oda: I think the thing is that we’ve had Minister Finley talking about changes to seniors’ pension plans, which will affect women. We also know that the reports have asked regarding pay equity. First of all, we want to ensure that what we have on the books regarding pay equity is being enforced and being recognized, and that is what Minister Blackburn is proposing: it’s to say, don’t let those who come under the legislation ignore it. That’s what we’re saying, get in there and make people recognize the responsibility to women.
We’ve not ignored the reports, but in eight months we have taken many, many acts that will benefit all Canadians, and Canadian women are not excluded when we reduce the benefit, because Canadian women care about the next generation. That reduction of having to spend $650 million annually on just paying interest on our national debt is going to help. It’s not “Canadians, without women”; it’s “Canadians as taxpayers, equally”.
The Chair: Thanks very much, Minister Oda.